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Poster: adamelijah Date: Jun 8, 2010 3:56pm
Forum: classic_tv Subject: Rant: Blast It Jim, I'm a Citizen Not a Copyright Lawyer

The following got posted in a review of No Time for Sergeants:

http://www.archive.org/details/No_Time_For_Sergeants

Here's what worries me about this site. Titles like this get posted and listed as Public Domain. Granted, the "film" itself may have become PD because the copyright wasn't renewed, BUT, the content on which it is based, "the book" and the musical score, are all still under US Copyright. PLEASE scan these listings more thoroughly to this great site doesn't get shut down for copyright infringement.


Seriously? First of all, who wants to read a copyright screed as a movie review. Such rants belong down here if anywhere.

How can a movie be in the public domain but the book not? Consider, A Farewell to Arms. The book is still under copyright, but the movie is on the Archive and dozens of community television stations around the nation have played it and there are DVD versions aplenty. If that film isn't public domain a lot of people are in trouble.

Same thing goes for Agatha Christie's And Then There Were None and we can go on. According to some "copyright experts," every script is an unpublished work which the 1978 Copyright law gave a 120 year term to. Therefore, we could just close down the Classic TV and Feature Films section as we really aren't going to find any Television, Movies, or even Old Time Radio that wasn't based on an unpublished script or published book still under copyright.

On the other hand, we could just use common sense and follow the established practice of checking the copyright dates and renewals on the material itself. If we were to require everyone to track down the copyright on every line of music and every story credit before they post something, people won't participate.

And let's be honest, the idea that the site's going to be "shut down" for things like the video of the TV version of "Take Time for Sergeants," two things: 1) if anyone with a claim to copyright were to complaint to IA, it would be taken down immediately as IA has done in the past on claims with a very weak basis in the law. And 2) Works end up public domain because the owners have forogtten about them in, usually because there's limited commercial value. Even some of the TV episodes that are copyright and still in the Archive (Season 2 episodes of Richard Diamond and Dragnet episodes from 1955-56) remain here because the copyright owners don't care. The works that "accidentally" slipped into the public domain that had a significant financial value have already taken action to restore them.

People should use due dilligence and be honest in what they post here, but for Pete's sake, can we have some sense of reason here?

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Poster: Tenor madman Date: Jun 9, 2010 12:58am
Forum: classic_tv Subject: Re: Rant: Blast It Jim, I'm a Citizen Not a Copyright Lawyer

In today's world I don't think that there is anything more mangled and distorted out of shape than copyright law, and the way that it's applied. If you walk down the street and whistle someone's tune, you have infringed on their copyright. To borrow a phrase, infringement is in the eye of the beholder!

Copyrights are bought and sold like commodities so that the original creator often sees no royalties. Many times copyrights that are deemed to be valuable are purchased and stockpiled by large corporations with savvy legal departments. Often, these copyright owners would rather see the works that they own copyrights to gather dust than allow someone to use them if they don't think they'd be lucrative enough for them. The original artist, for whom copyright law was originally intended to protect, is out of the picture entirely.




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Poster: adamelijah Date: Jun 9, 2010 6:25am
Forum: classic_tv Subject: Re: Rant: Blast It Jim, I'm a Citizen Not a Copyright Lawyer

Agreed.

The Constitution states regarding the Copyright clause, "To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries."

Hard to see how current copyright law is in that spirit with the examples provided.

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Poster: The_Monkey_Master Date: Jun 8, 2010 6:17pm
Forum: classic_tv Subject: Re: Rant: Blast It Jim, I'm a Citizen Not a Copyright Lawyer

What if I basic my work on something copyrighted (illgaly) but it was basiced on something that was basiced on something that was basiced on something that was basiced on something that was basiced on something that was basiced on something that was basiced on something that was basiced on something that was basiced on something that was basiced on something that was basiced on something that was basiced on something that was basiced on something that was basiced on something that was basiced on something that was basiced on something that was PD. Can I leagaly say I basiced it on the first PD thing and get away with it?
Smart people once said that we can never make anything new because in some way or form, everything has already been done. If this is true the we could never make anything new because it would be breaking copyright rules of someone before us.

So the basic question is... How far back (script, book wrote around, music, ect) do copyright inside a show go?
My answer is as long as they don't sue you, you're ok.

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Poster: guyzilla Date: Jun 9, 2010 7:11pm
Forum: classic_tv Subject: Re: Rant: Blast It Jim, I'm a Citizen Not a Copyright Lawyer

I know what you mean. Some items here have been taken down here mostly because I or someone else flagged them. But if I and the others were not to say anything, what would happen? From what I've seen, most of the copyright fuss is focused on more recent material. "Oasis Of The Zombies" got taken down because I brought it to staff's attention. If I hadn't said anything, it would likely still be here, at least until someone else flags it. Now if someone was to upload "Avatar", (and a few people have,) it would be deleted long before it got moved to Feature Films. No one would have to say anything.

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Poster: cosmico Date: Jun 9, 2010 7:38pm
Forum: classic_tv Subject: Re: Rant: Blast It Jim, I'm a Citizen Not a Copyright Lawyer

The only one I'm surprised is gone is Idaho Transfer, since it's already available on so many PD DVD collections. Well, that and The Alpha Incident. Neither film is particularly great, but if one is desperate enough, Mill Creek has 'em in those 50-movie box sets.

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Poster: guyzilla Date: Jun 9, 2010 7:48pm
Forum: classic_tv Subject: Re: Rant: Blast It Jim, I'm a Citizen Not a Copyright Lawyer

Yeah, like I said, they'd probably still be here if someone didn't flag them. I think it's great that the PD integrity is able to be maintained as well as it has, mostly because most users here care enough to speak up.

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Poster: HaarFager872 Date: Jun 20, 2010 2:19am
Forum: classic_tv Subject: Re: Rant: Blast It Jim, I'm a Citizen Not a Copyright Lawyer

I saw that "warning" someone left in a review of "No Time For Sergeants" and thought it sounded kind of funny myself. I left a comment there and said so. Should I have brought it here and commented about it instead? Just so that more people would have had a chance to see it?

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Poster: cosmico Date: Jun 9, 2010 1:50pm
Forum: classic_tv Subject: Re: Rant: Blast It Jim, I'm a Citizen Not a Copyright Lawyer

Shucks. I'm just grateful with what I've found here, and content knowing that not everything I want isn't here. So many films and shows to watch, and so little time! :)

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Poster: billbarstad Date: Jun 9, 2010 10:51am
Forum: classic_tv Subject: Re: Rant: Blast It Jim, I'm a Citizen Not a Copyright Lawyer

Amen. Some folks just don't get it.

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